On May 7th, 2006 Peter K. Anderson a.k.a. Hartlod(tm) (not verified) says:
Of course there is global climate change, there always has been. There is nothing 'wrong' in observations of 'climate change', nor is there 'fault' being admitted to by noting 'climate change', as such, is existent. Where the misconceptions begin occurring is in noticing the actions of those still attempting VOCAL support for the 'greenhouse platform' (still unattached as it is to reality) and still demanding we all BELIEVE that "Kyoto is great".
It has been seen that the 'recorded history for temperature' in as far as SCIENCE can realise is only 250 years, and the attempts to inference of 'scary trends' from only a few decades even within this short period is ALL that 'Kyoto opinion' has as 'support'.
The WEATHER events that are observed altering are ALL linked to the alterations to distribution in both rate and location, of kinetic energy. This is linked to PRESSURE and temperature generation redistribution within both the Atmosphere & Oceans. This is being produced by surface alterations made by Humanity within the sprawling production of its habitat; it is NOT possible for such to be the 'product of a greenhouse process'.
As has been noted, (see *) the increases in surface temperature are due to the rematerialing of the surface BY Humanity. There is a 15 year lag to Ocean surface reaction to the CONDUCTION of this kinetic energy. This is due to the OCEAN being liquid and showing TURBULENCE dissipation of such energy, which is then NOT available to be measured as TEMPERATURE.
HOWEVER.....
The Atmosphere is far MORE (as a gas mixture) able to produce displays of TURBULENCE to increases in intrinsic kinetic energy. The DELAY to OBSERVED WARMING within the ATMOSPHERE will be on a longer delay (than the present 15 years for the Oceans) DUE to the greater ability of GASES to produce reactions of TURBULENCE to input of kinetic energy.
SO NOW it seems the warming of the LOWER (by surface sourced conduction/convection) atmosphere is being observed to 'SPEED UP'. That MEANS it is now 'on the population curve', that same 'trend' (in style) that the OCEAN SURFACE is now on, but that the DELAY is a little LONGER than seen within the Ocean Surface and the effect will be even more muted.
But all we get from 'climate science' is more 'fudging' of results and it seems a flurry of Journalistic 'supportive output' to 'cover up the cracks'. To notice HOW these 'greenhouse platformings' are leading to Uranium, note these quotes from May 5th 2006 in 'The Daily Telegraph' in NSW on page 22 (no internet link), under the title "Atomic Power: a great bright hope" attributed to Bob Carr (yes the 'only just' ex-NSW Premier signed up by the "Climate Institute"):-
["The debate is over. Yesterday WWF Australia, one of the nation's largest environmental groups, accepted the realist of peaceful nuclear power."]
["In other words you won't save the planet from global warming without Nuclear Power."]
["As Premier I made similar comments. I was surprised by the response. It wasn't the outrage and indignation that one would have got in the 70's and 80's."]
***["Renewable energy -wind, solar- is a part of the solution. But a smallish part. WE could build windmills from the Blue Mountains to Broken Hill and they would not provide the seven-day-a-week flow of energy that we call base load power."]***
Perhaps 'these few' simply need to DROP these 'greenhouse concepts', cease trying to make that fiction PLAUSIBLE and begin to notice SCIENCE more. The JOURNALISTS attempting to platform the 'plaster repair' fillings should begin to be treated as they really are, NOT have their 'articles' freely 'cut&pasted' about by 'anonymous' repeaters.
'Kyoto is little more than staging for Uranium as 'fuel'.
Of course there is global climate change, there always has been. There is nothing 'wrong' in observations of 'climate change', nor is there 'fault' being admitted to by noting 'climate change', as such, is existent. Where the misconceptions begin occurring is in noticing the actions of those still attempting VOCAL support for the 'greenhouse platform' (still unattached as it is to reality) and still demanding we all BELIEVE that "Kyoto is great".
It has been seen that the 'recorded history for temperature' in as far as SCIENCE can realise is only 250 years, and the attempts to inference of 'scary trends' from only a few decades even within this short period is ALL that 'Kyoto opinion' has as 'support'.
The WEATHER events that are observed altering are ALL linked to the alterations to distribution in both rate and location, of kinetic energy. This is linked to PRESSURE and temperature generation redistribution within both the Atmosphere & Oceans. This is being produced by surface alterations made by Humanity within the sprawling production of its habitat; it is NOT possible for such to be the 'product of a greenhouse process'.
As has been noted, (see *) the increases in surface temperature are due to the rematerialing of the surface BY Humanity. There is a 15 year lag to Ocean surface reaction to the CONDUCTION of this kinetic energy. This is due to the OCEAN being liquid and showing TURBULENCE dissipation of such energy, which is then NOT available to be measured as TEMPERATURE.
HOWEVER.....
The Atmosphere is far MORE (as a gas mixture) able to produce displays of TURBULENCE to increases in intrinsic kinetic energy. The DELAY to OBSERVED WARMING within the ATMOSPHERE will be on a longer delay (than the present 15 years for the Oceans) DUE to the greater ability of GASES to produce reactions of TURBULENCE to input of kinetic energy.
SO NOW it seems the warming of the LOWER (by surface sourced conduction/convection) atmosphere is being observed to 'SPEED UP'. That MEANS it is now 'on the population curve', that same 'trend' (in style) that the OCEAN SURFACE is now on, but that the DELAY is a little LONGER than seen within the Ocean Surface and the effect will be even more muted.
But all we get from 'climate science' is more 'fudging' of results and it seems a flurry of Journalistic 'supportive output' to 'cover up the cracks'. To notice HOW these 'greenhouse platformings' are leading to Uranium, note these quotes from May 5th 2006 in 'The Daily Telegraph' in NSW on page 22 (no internet link), under the title "Atomic Power: a great bright hope" attributed to Bob Carr (yes the 'only just' ex-NSW Premier signed up by the "Climate Institute"):-
["The debate is over. Yesterday WWF Australia, one of the nation's largest environmental groups, accepted the realist of peaceful nuclear power."]
["In other words you won't save the planet from global warming without Nuclear Power."]
["As Premier I made similar comments. I was surprised by the response. It wasn't the outrage and indignation that one would have got in the 70's and 80's."]
***["Renewable energy -wind, solar- is a part of the solution. But a smallish part. WE could build windmills from the Blue Mountains to Broken Hill and they would not provide the seven-day-a-week flow of energy that we call base load power."]***
Perhaps 'these few' simply need to DROP these 'greenhouse concepts', cease trying to make that fiction PLAUSIBLE and begin to notice SCIENCE more. The JOURNALISTS attempting to platform the 'plaster repair' fillings should begin to be treated as they really are, NOT have their 'articles' freely 'cut&pasted' about by 'anonymous' repeaters.
* You can refer to material (for further detail) contained within the links:-
http://www.climateimc.org/?q=node/312 and http://www.climateimc.org/?q=node/348
For a short outline with slides, see:- http://www.ucimc.org/newswire/display/113579/index.php#comments
Your's, Peter K. Anderson a.k.a. Hartlod(tm)
From the PC of Peter K Anderson
E-Mail: Hartlod@bigpond.com